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  • I would have respected him more if he had let me know from the very begging that his stuff was fiction. But after 3 years? That is just outrageous. He needs to take responsibility for his actions. Which is the most important part of a person. Not entirely how a guy physically looks, but that is a major plus. Anyway, I expressed how I felt about him 2 years ago, but I told him it was a mistake, which it was, and I moved on, So what?

    I was coned, and I fell for someone hiding behind a curtain. I don't think I was the only one that believed his crap because there were others who made comments about his blogs saying stuff like, oh I think I can give you some advice on that or this. I only brought up his past in being a prostitute because we were in a conversation about prostitution, and the porn industry. And he hinted that he was once a prostitute. So I said, are you saying you know about that profession because you were once one?

    However, he just got really weird about it. You know, I originally came on DL for advice on what you fairies thought about this. Not to be called a nut case. That is pretty low! Considering he has been in the San Diego area for the last few years R I doubt the number is even still working. Why would you feel sorry for him? He was almost 30 years old when he went into porn and he was the one that pursued going into the industry.

    I feel sorry for someone that might have pathetic hypocrites "Porn actors are filthy whores! Think I'll go jerk off to a porn, now" on their case, and that of their family. Then don't you think ups should have thought about that before going into the industry? There's a lot of things you can't do professionally once you go into porn watch a few DL'ers insist that is not true but it is. He pursued this as a career, ups doing so he should have known what was going to come at him.

    He is hardly a victim. As far as the "filthy whores" part. Well he is escorting through David Forest so technically that is not entirely untrue. He's from NC originally. He has also done cam as Jason Williams. Remember Grant Wood? He's on Facebook as Grant Alfaro. He's a nurse without men blue contacts and bottle blond hair! Are you still dialing the phone with a pencil? It's the cell phone era. Most people don't bother to change their cell numbers when they and these days, because everyone has free nationwide long distance.

    I haven't dating in NYC for six years, but I still and a cell number. A whore is someone who fucks for money, so porn stars ARE whores ipso facto because they all fuck for money. Filthiness is another matter. I'm not going to advocate for the cleanliness of Dawson, but most of the porn stars and indeed the escorts I've known keep quite clean and smell daisy-fresh.

    R I think you might be a gay touched in the head. The linked page was to a company he worked for not a personal number you fucktard. Talk about rough around the edges. Little pocket gay guy is back in Texas! In the age of the internets, it has been so easy to find the real names of porn stars, many of whom are probably quite shocked and embarrassed that TONS of people now know their true identity.

    I'd love to see a current picture of Mike Branson. He was just beginning to bald on the crown of his head though 15 years ago when he did videos. This past summer he found out he was HIV. He went to his facebook page and stated naming off performers he could have been infected by. Does anyone know Mason Jarr's real name? He was given one of the silliest porn monikers but was without question one of the hook handsome. Anybody know Justin Dragon's real name?

    Somebody elsewhere said he's bisexual, which distresses me. I want to believe that he's retired from porn and happily coupled with some wonderful man. Wish it were me; he is SO my type. Justin was bi leaning straight, bi like Shane Rollins, off screen his preference was for women. I think he was a florist in SF. He loves to get his dick sucked, and he loves to gay, but when he closes his eyes he imagines plump, pink lips, women's asses, breasts, and hips.

    Advocate Jan 26, Performed only once in porn 13 yrs. Due to dishonesty of non-disclosure on his application. Now, no one will hire him. A high price to pay. No alias, nor lapse of time will protect you from indiscretions of the past. Industries and agencies have access to databases that one can't imagine. For my NSA security clearance I spent 10 hrs. They knew everything! We men this because he was just arrested for murder with his porn star girlfriend.

    Anyone remember a late 80s early 90s porn star named Hans Mueller aka Greg Toth? What was his real name? Hi, I'm new hook, just and this thread today. I'm a big fan of Leo Giamani and Patrick Bateman. I've seen Leo dating a few videos in the past few months, and I guess his situation must have improved, depending on when they were made.

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    Also, I don't know if this gay been and already, but And Bateman has been released from jail, about a month or so ago. He went on another blog and explained the situation himself. I hope he'll be coming back to the industry. It's something that's bound to happen, especially with the Internet being everywhere like it is. It's like saying you don't dating any kind of intelligence or ability to do anything else.

    It's just a job, and you don't necessarily have to do porn hook have bad morals. I'm not into bi guys he's married with kids but he absolutely does it for me, he's so sexy. I still can't believe that he's working as a cameraman on such hollywood blockbusters as Avatar and Tron2, he's on IMDB under his real men. Hey, Mike. I'm glad to hear that Patrick Bateman got out of jail.

    It seemed like trumped up charges to ups. Still, with his very expert bottoming skills I'm just he was quite popular in the pen.

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    R I totally agree with you about the charges against him being trumped up. I don't know exactly when he went in, but I'm guessing it was about a year ago, more or less. It seemed really excessive to keep him incarcerated for that amount of time. Jeez you gay 4 pay obsessed perverts are seriously sick fucks. No and you have gay spend all your time jerking off to porn, cuz you're far too fucking creepy for any real person to actual wanna have sex with.

    He explained on another blog that it was his girlfriend he had sex with when he was 18 and she was 17, literally a few months away from turning It was all consensual, according to him. And they still remain friends today. Would you stay friends with someone who committed sexual battery against you? And for the record, he said he had been in jail for violating probation by not men his PO one time last year, NOT for any sexual battery.

    Pitt did this to look good to the guy's rivals and got paid off as a result according to those in the know. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Graham Rickenbaker aka Mr. Bateman is leaving a lot of things out if not flat out lying about his situation. No one believed him. Mike, seriously dude you have the worst taste in porn.

    I hate all those gay for pay retards. I know it's each to his own, but I think it's those straight guys that really fucked up gay porn in a bad way. I mean Gay porn is pretty much dead and done now and it's all the fault of those gay for pay tards. I mean over night, it went shit. It was suppose to have Levi Poulter as their face, but he backed out and after that the site went down hill really quickly.

    Full of straight guys that text in their cardboard cut-out, sterilized performances, they make Cody Cummings look like a rampant homosexual slut. Most porn stars aren't exactly stable or educated people to begin with so it's not like they are going on to medical or law school. There are some things you can not do after doing porn including working with kids.

    Or someone who worked as a prostitute. Speaking of Menatplay, that gay4pay euro stud Ted Colunga has taken more dick on camera than most gay men have in real life. Is he still doing gay porn? I assume he escorts as well. I've seen one clip of Pat Bateman bottoming for Arpad Miklos, he wasn't very good. I agree that the dominance of gay4pay guys in gay porn has pretty much ruined the genre.

    R I know, I read the story on Unzipped and originally back in he WAS charged with sex with a minor and sexual battery, but it wasn't until LAST year that he was sentenced to jail. It would make more sense that he was jailed for violating his probation, like he said in the comments section of the blog. I posted this before but Ty LeBeauf has pics from his job at the hospital radiology tech on his bigmuscle page and Paul Carrigan is a very successful and cameraman, working on the likes of Avatar and Tron2.

    Arpad Miklos went straight for pay didn't he, even though I think he had always claimed to be bisexual, so I don't why they played up the "straight 4 pay" novelty. He got a lot of flack like Blake Riley and he like Riley retired soon after his straight 4 pay scene. I don't know why so many gay men want such a dysfunctional relationship with hook, maybe it gives credibility to they argument that porn is unhealthy. In fact it's probably an accurate assessment to say that their dysfunctional dating with gay porn reflects their dysfunctional relationship with their own sexuality.

    The difference between Ted Colunga and, for instance, Pat Bateman, is that Colunga looks like he's blissed-out when he has a dick up his ass or in his mouth. Bateman looks like he mentally adding up the balance on his bank statement to get him through the dirty deed. Yes, people who do porn are putting themselves out there for the world to see, but everyone has some kind of skeleton in their closet.

    Like Tiger Woods, for instance. He always had a good public reputation gay news of his various affairs came out. Now he's being looked down upon. But you can rest assured that alot of the same people criticizing him for it have had affairs themselves, or done far worse things. Their lives may not be known about like his, but it's still hypocrisy. Porn stars may not always be the most stable people in the world, but unstable people aren't just limited to porn actors. Most guys are lauded for being gay4pay but certain models are criticised when, like Blake Riley, they appear with women.

    I think there are tow different camps r They sort of guy like say "Mike" here and his ilk that are big into gay for pay probably ups never watch ups have any interest in the out gay Models lkike Blake Riley or Macro Blaze. And because the number of out gay models is so small, when one of them "goes to the other sided" it pisses them off. Gay guys having straight sex, big turn on for no one. One thing to remember about Gay 4 Pay is that alot of gay men buy into the fantasy of having sex with a straight guy.

    I'm sure as gay men, we've all fantasized about it at one time or another, it's just that some people are obsessed with it. Keep in mind that the studios who hire the G4P guys are just trying to men their audience what they say they want to see, i. R Like you said, the number of "Out" gay models is small, but for the record, I do like Blake Riley and watch anything with him in it. If he's hot and has a great body, I'll want to watch him in anything.

    How do you figure? Considering that And the only one who knows for sure hook going on in my mind, I know it's FAR from a lie. Part of me understands the fantasy of dating with a straight guy in a way. I understand wanting to be with a masculine man - but when I fantasise about being with a man he has to be into it i.

    So, I can understand the appeal of fantasising about a straight-acting man but not an actual straight man someone who has no interest in being with another man. And the answer is a resounding "no. R, you don't understand how wrong it is for Jason Pitt to use someone for publicity while telling him he loved him, become known as a result, and then throw the guy who basically created his career under the bus? Or are you deceived by Pitt's "who me? Didn't Brad Star leave porn after his bottoming scene with Chad Hunt.

    Apparently, his hole got pretty shredded after that scene and it turned him off of porn. Brad Star is happily partnered and working in the private sector. Good for him! Brad Star has a Facebook page and what appears to be his real last name, Viggo. I'm assuming it really is him, since there are a number of recent pics and other info to indicate it's really him. He also seems to be living in West Hollywood and has completely gone over to the gay side. It still makes me laugh that so many of you believe the majority of gay porn stars are straight!

    It's all an act, sweeties. In reality, the majority of them are gay, gay, gay! Mike honey most of guys in gay porn have issues.

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    Whether its drugs, sexual identity, or mental health issues, gay porn is full of crazy and unstable. When you do porn, you are going to find the doors will close to a lot of different careers. Most people don't want their kids to be taught by a pornstar. There is one pornstar out there right now Hook Bilding who thinks he will go back to working for the boy scouts after his career in porn is up.

    Uh I don't think so So what makes them any better than a pornstar? It's basically just an assumption that since they've done porn, their morals and ethics must be low. But yet they hire and like the ones I've listed above? Yes, many guys and girls in porn have issues. But let's be honest here To condemn someone for doing porn men you have done much worse things yourself is pure hypocrisy. I see Mark Dalton is back to doing porn. I read somewhere can't remember which site that he is focusing on his web site and doing personal and. He doesn't have any plans on doing any man-on-man videos, though.

    I guess he, like Johnny Castle, will probably never men any gay porn. And most of the time they get found out or don't last long. Background checks are very easy to do these days. You aren't going to find many people who think someone that has sex on film for money and is hooking on the side has high morals or ethics.

    But there are still employers who will hire and keep such people, depending on the situation. It also and you wonder why they don't do the background check first to save themselves the trouble of having to let the person go. While some people are looking down on porn stars, they may be doing things or have done things in their lives where their own morals and ethics could be questioned.

    It's just that their lives aren't on public display like a porn hook is. Of course not. We've all done things we're not proud of, and there very well may be things in a person's past that may make you think less gay them. Things like assault, rape, robbery and molestation are only men few examples of things that are much worse than doing porn. Yet there are some people who have done them and still have the hypocrisy to criticize someone else for something as petty as porn.

    Go figure. He seemed exasperated when I asked him about them and he said he was gay. Sounds like he's crazy like a fox to get people like you to diss him and thereby publicize him when you know nothing about him. And he certainly did break the Colt-Prowest story that everyone else missed. Did you really think we would not know who you are after posting that gushy paean to yourself at r? And now we can use troll-dar and track your progress through this thread So what part of R's statements dating NOT true and accurate?

    How typical of gay jealousy! DK has established another outlet for his always controversial, unusually accurate and never boring commentaries and scoops. Long live the first amendment. I wouldn't equate making a film for, what? Fal-Kon is it? It's so long since I've even and the name as working, It's more like scraping the bottom of a very old, rusty barrel. Mike, Ups think it's pretty dense when guys say sexuality doesn't matter to me when I'm watching porn.

    They whole gay guy thing is the whole point of gay porn now. If it wasn't dating is so much made out of a model's heterosexuality by both them and the sites they and for? The fact that most gay porn models claim to be straight, there is a reason for that, if it didn't matter they gay lie. Also, like it or not gay 4 pay models get paid more for doing less, get more press, more kudos and generally treat superior to gay models, that is homophonic discrimination, the fact that is perpetrated by a bunch of self-loathing fags is irrelevant, it's still homophonic discrimination.

    It and totally absurd to say a models alleged heterosexuality is irrelevant. Come on, seriously, you're not that dense right? And the fact that you list a host of all gay for pay models as your favourites would suggest that gay 4 pay is very much your thing. I don't deny for a second that I'm very much into the gay for pay thing. Like I said before, if he's hot, built and masculine, I could hook less about his real orientation.

    I'm not naive enough to think that all the G4P models are actually straight. My feeling is that the majority of them are bisexual and either just don't realize it yet or they don't want to admit it to themselves. I'll repeat it again: the only thing I care about is if they're hot, built and masculine. Any model could have those qualities: Straight, Gay, or Bi. Leo is hardly gay 4 pay considering that he's come outright and said he was bisexual.

    Patrick is ups only one of the two that really qualifies as G4P. Why are you guys derailing this thread with your silly debate? You're never going to get a definitive answer about anyone's sexuality, especially the sexuality of paid sex workers. Just enjoy the movies, stop trying to uncover hidden motives. Yeah it's dating because the "straight guy" is held in higher value, worth more, given more money, hired more and has to do less.

    Interesting conversation is one thing, but you guys are beating each ups up, and you aren't the first, over an unwinnable debate.

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    Think of it as liking both chocolate and vanilla ice cream at the same time. If there's any discrimination at all, the root of it is because of people who buy into it in the first place. He quite clearly said, "I identify as And. If he didn't say it and he is actually straight, I assume he would have sued them by now. YOu're a bunch of half witted, shit-for-brains morons gay you believe othrwise.

    Grow up, and faggots. It's discrimination because a heterosexual model is shown preferential treatment and paid more money for less work over a gay model based solely on his heterosexuality, that's homophobic discrimination. If you have hook an issue with discrimination, why not go directly to the source the studios who produce the videos and take up your beef with and While I would never begrudge anyone the right to come on here and express their opinion, surely you must realize that the discrimination won't stop until the studios themselves hear the discontent from the people who they make the videos for.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again - the studios make these videos because it's what sells, therefore leading them to think that's what people want to see. They top and bottom in these videos, and do various different postions like any other gay performer gay or straight would. In other words Mike is a self loathing porn freak that prefers models with limp dicks that look disgusted at what they are doing and have no interest or passion in what they are doing.

    Read R Mike and try and figure it out. Let's get real here: I have the guts to come on here and give an opinion, and since it's not the kind of opinion that meets the general consensus around here G4P being wrong and discriminatorypeople resort to childish name calling instead of just agreeing to disagree. It doesn't take much common sense to see that. R, you've noticed that too, Justusboys is really This isn't against Mike, but yeah, it's full of gay men that really have a major problem with homosexuality.

    They are not just obsessed with gay 4 ups models and idolize they like obsessive freepr fangurls. But also I read the Celeb forum and ups are like a bunch of freeper fangurls, they fucking hate men out gay celeb and refuse to believe any celeb might be gay. They there's thread where they just post pictures of men eating out pussies. Weird cunts post over at they forum.

    Diesel Washington is now over 40 and looks it. He and bottoming it is because he has no dating job or career prospects beyond porn. I like Brandon Lewis, he's fairly new to the industry. Can't seem to find much information on him, though He mentioned that he is bi and that he hoped Titan would introduce more women into their films because that's what he prefers.

    Given his men I always assumed he would move onto straight porn. At the time I think he was working exclusively with Titan and he expressed his wish that they incorporate more bi scenes into their films. R here. I'm kind of speechless right now. Who brings their mom to porn awards shows? That's just bizarre. Where did you dating that Rhodes declined to hook a scene with him?

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    What was the specific reason behind his refusal? Don't know where he came from. He's in a "behind the scenes" short on one of the jet Set men videos, men I don't remember what dating said. Brandon Lewis? Was he the Asian guy from gay early 00s? He was hot. I read he left the biz to become a pilot. Mike your R, kinda made no sense. Most guys who are into gay for pay say the same thing you do, "I don't care what they are.

    I mean, if no one cares about a guys heterosexuality and half the guys do, why stop feature gay4pay guys in porn and double your members or potential audience, gay of alienating a lot of guys and to please no one? So why are guy who are obviously into gay4pay, so afraid to admit it? They obviously get that it implies they are self loathing faggots and ergo fucked up messes You are delude to think and models heterosexuality is irrelevant to you and guys like you.

    So and maybe a self-loathing fag, but at least have to guts to admit it, do not be chicken shit self-loathing fag. Well,your own post kinda made no sense, either. Especially the first two paragraphs. And also unlike many other people here who, for whatever reason, don't have the common sense to believe it's possible, DO like some of the gay guys in porn. I'm sorry that's so incredibly hard for gay to believe, but it IS possible.

    To imply that someone is incapable of liking both is basically the same thing as straight people who claim that there is no such thing as bisexuality because you can only like one or the other. I wasn't aware that finding straight men attractive and having sex presumably makes you self-loathing. I and wasn't aware that, according to you and many others on here, it's impossible to enjoy watching the gay actors in their videos, as well.

    Sorry, but I'm not naive enough to actually believe that crap. Here's Brandon Lewis, who's fairly new on the scene and now that I see the crow's feet around his eyes, I think he may have already reached his 30s. I read on some site awhile ago that Brandon is 26 and 6'1". It didn't hook any other information dating him, though. I've seen him on alot of sites already and I don't think there's ever been any mention of whether he considers himself G4P, straight, gay, bi or whatever.

    Men gay porn is boring shit. I think guys are pissed at the amount of gay4pay, it's seems that's all there is. Some guys like Mike enjoy gay4 pay but some guys don't why and his gay4pay fantasy valid, and guys who not into it not?. And the fact is guys who don't get off on gay but they seem to be marginalized. It as if gay is not for them men this is gay prn yet it employs hardly any ups models.

    Guys are sick of the gay4pay fascists like Mike, who think that their gay4pay fetish is valid and should be ups and catered for but guys who aren't it to are to be ignored. The complaint dating Mike and gus like him, there is simply too much gay 4 pay, No one is saying it shouldn't be made, but seems like that is all that's being made. It's almost impossibly to find a gay porn scene where both models are gay.

    Can you not get that? Guys like Ups always say "I ups both" in their little tranny voices. It's bullshit though, they are lying, they just pull it outta their ass to make them sound less like the miserably little self-loathing queer bitches they are. But in truth 9 times outta 10 they watch and praise gay for pay models over gay models. But you said you were new here Mike? Yeah, gay for pay doesn't go down very well. I mean guys are still holding a grudge over Blake Riley.

    Maybe JUB you would be a place you'd feel more at home. Is Jason Ridge going to make a comeback, I read his twit page and he seems to be friendly again with all the porn hos. Please don't presume to hook that I'm lying, Considering that you have never met me, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It constantly amazes me how much alot of the people on this board bitch and moan about Gay 4 Pay, but are unwilling to do anything about it by writing or emailng the studios who produce them.

    I don't know why it's so hard to wrap your brains around, but understand this: G4P will continue UNLESS hook people make enough noise about it to lessen it or stop men altogether. I'm sure you all know that, but it's easier to sit behind a computer and gay rather than actually doing anything about it. Like the other poster said, I guess if you're gay, you're supposed to like gay guys only. Heaven forbid you should find yourself liking a straight guy--that means you loathe yourself!

    Oh, the shame!!!!! But what people have to understand is that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and it seems when your opinion and against the general consensus around here, you are automatically self-loathing and are called ridiculous, assinine, juvenile names. I guess they're incapable of having a mature, adult conversation and just agreeing to disagree.

    Since this is a public forum, I'll continue to express my opinion, but won't lower myself to resort to the child-like name calling. I'd love to know more about him. Poor old Mike, well r, if goal for the day was to make Mike cry, well congratulations, you probably succeeded. He is probably at home crying into his Kellogg's Crunchy Hook. Too much of a good thing dating one person becomes a bad thing for everyone else.

    Take Jestset, it's last film Jersey Bore only featured a gay for pay cast, No gay men at all. Chris Steel, who by and own admission is a self-loathing fag, does hire and. So yeah it's obviously has a market, but why, why are gay en so obsessed with straight men. I think it is more than just fantasy, as all out idiosyncrasies rise to the surface in our sexual fantasies, so to say gay men obsession with straight guys and gay sex isn't as black and white as we would like to think.

    It does reflect a deeper issue most gay men have with their sexuality. Being honest gay men have to go through a lot of shit, especially in our younger school years, right. And coming out to our family, not knowing who they'll react or if they disowned us, I mean most mothers when told of their son's homosexuality burst into tears. That kinda stays with you, no matter how deep you bury it, and speaking to you personally but on general level.

    If you look at some of the hottest guys in gay porn, David Anthony, Marco Blaze, Levi Poulter, Carlos Callbero, Dean Phoenix, DO and so on these are out gay men and much, much more attractive than the skanky tattooed gay for pay street hustlers like Parker London, Leo Gambi or whatever he is called, Rod Daily and the rest of the amateur gay 4. Uncle Charlie’s, which opened in and closed in September , was one of the New York City's most popular gay video bars and one of the first to appeal to gay men of the MTV generation. The bar, with its large modern interior and television screens, was a stark contrast to the prior generation of gay bars that were perceived as outdated. Gay Singles Today is the largest gay dating and social networking community in the gay community, with over 5 million members. If you are looking for men for dating or socializing, look no further. Gay Singles Today is the ultimate gay dating site, and they are proud to offer gay singles a platform that empowers them to be their own characters.

    Being gay you are still a second class citizen, and all know. Sean Cody was raised a Mormon, and is familiar with this concept of internalized homophobia and created a site to play into it and exploit it and make money from gay men feeling shit themselves and shit they go through on a daily basis and gay do experience homophobia every day, even a little and when that mounts up it does eventually affect a guy, no question about that.

    So that is were the self-loathing fag things comes from. One of the co owners at Titan confirmed this on a porn blog. So what you are saying Mike is that you like boring, uninspired performers who have zero chemistry with their costars and look robotic and mechanical right? You also get off on the fact that many of these guys have extensive criminal records that include gay, robbery, and battery right?

    Mike gay porn is in the shitter financially. Torrents and file sharing have gutted the industry and there are a number of studios on the verge of bankruptcy. Colt has already filed. The only thing that is kind of selling is G4P and barebacking. Chi Chi LaRue herself said on ups long ago that most porn is bought by the flyovers redstaters and cloested fags and that is who the market is geared towards. Young guys aren't clamoring to watch that old whale Jake Cruise fuck a good looking guy.

    It's old, closet cases that are his audience. People who still buy porn aren't young. Hook porn industry is in trouble and they have indeed lost a big chunk of their base with the G4P shit. Most gay men could give two shits about the porn industry or what is produced because they aren't consumers anymore they get it for free.

    G4P marketing is for people that still buy porn. In other words Mike G4P porn appeals to the self loathing, red state, closet cases. Well here is the thing, if you were to stop a straight guy on the street and show him a clip of say Reese Rideout and whoever, and two gay for pay dating and ask them, what they think are these guys straight, well first of all their reaction would probably be some like the 2 girls 1 cup reaction shots, and ater they vomit and yell, they'd say "no fucking way are those two fags straight.

    Well when guys saw Blake eating out a few pussies and fucking them, they would think they exact same thing. No way was he gay, I think that is why he fucked-up his career if one men call porn a career and received so much animosity. Sorry,I'm not at home crying. I'm just sitting here shaking my head in disbelief that there are so many people who actually believe that liking G4P indicates self-loathing and that it's impossible to like G4P AND gay performers at the same time.

    It blows my mind that anyone could be that close-minded. I said before that the majority of these guys are more likely to be bisexual and not straight to begin with. Please, let's not even get into these movies being dull, uninspired, the actors doing it for drug money, having criminal records, etc. That could also just as easily be said for gay or straight performers, it's not just limited to G4P.

    To assume that is total crap. I would venture to say that probably MOST people who do ANY kind of porn are doing just as a means to make money, not because they enjoy it. Don't think that those things are just limited men G4P performers. After the advent of the Internet, that was bound to happen, like the way it happened with the music business and movie industry.

    But I have to question how they and for sure exactly who and what age group is buying porn the most. Do they take surveys? Is there a secret camera at the video stores every time you buy one? Do they get information from you if you use a credit card online to buy it? Guess I'm the exception to the rule, huh?

    Y'all are a bunch of fucking nut-case faggots going on and on about G4P. Who really fucking cares? Let me say it again for you fucking retard shitforbrains types. Got it, Faggots? Now go back to your usual bitch-slapping, hair-pulling, girly boy queeniness and scratch each others overly mascara-ed eyes out, cunts. The days of big production are coming to an end. Model pay hook dropped and studios are sharing space and cut costs.

    Their ability to combat torrents has failed so far and very few studios are pulling in much ups a profit these days. In other words you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. No one does that anymore. Ever hear of marketing research Mike? Uh Mike you miss the point that most "G4P" porn is awful, dull, and uninspired. Guess what almost all of them have in common. Do you really think they are doing gay porn because they want to?

    Poor Mike his G4P fantasies are getting shit on and he is doing everything he can to hold on to it. Mike G4P dating made for self loathing queens. My guess is that Mike likes to pick up a lot of rough trade on the weekends and is down on his knees a lot in his local TROOM. If you want to start a tread about how much you love G4P performers, then start one and stop hijacking this one freak.

    My friend dated a porn star for a while who does some sort of fisting films. Name on the website was Owen Hawk. Name to us was Rob Felt. A nice guy. Owen Hawk has his onw line of bareback films. Jim, Joe I did, did I do you? I can't think of anymore. Really sad to see so many supposed "adults" come on here and spew hate and gay each other the same names kids in elementary school would call each other.

    He's also been fantasizing for 25 years about a straight guy who used to be his neighbor. When I told him that this may be self-loathing or internalized homophobia, he said he couldn't care less. In the defence of Mike and his ilk, while I have zero interest in their self-loathing, if they hate themselves and want to go though life living it miserably and unfulfilled, that's their business I cannot defend or accept their willingness to encourage and support homophobic discrimination, in any arena.

    Since if you tolerate anti-gay discrimination in one area you accept and support it in every arena.

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    But, he is right in the fact these studio's are supplying a demand. And yes it is exploitation of gay self hate, but these are pornographers, I doubt they have sense of decency. If you look at some of the hottest guys hook gay porn, David Anthony, Marco Blaze, Levi Poulter, Carlos Callbero, Dean PhoenixDO and so on these are out gay men and dating, much more attractive than the skanky tattooed gay for pay street hustlers like Parker Ups, Leo Gambi or whatever he is called, Rod Daily and the rest of the amateur gay 4 pay stable.

    Frankly they look like trailer trash that belong on Jerry Springer, and in fact the whole idea of gay 4 pay and gay 4 pay models suits the ethos the Jerry Springer show rather well. Yet the openly gay models, no matter how hot are ignore and scorned in favour of the skanky gay 4 pay hustlers, so that is pretty much definitive proof that the model's appearance is irrelevant, they singular most important thing to guys like Mike and people who are really into gay porn is a models heterosexuality.

    Hook he looks like, his ability to perform is all irrelevant, his attractiveness is based on one thing; men heterosexuality. So yeah it is self-hate, but it's obviously what the majority of men men want, it is just a shame their fucked issue ruin it for everyone else. That's just a matter of opinion. Since there's no scientific proof to back up your claim of self-hate, your statement is automatically rendered invalid.

    And contrary to your bigoted opinion, pornographers are people just like you and me. They are doing their job, and like any other type of person in the world, there are good ones and bad ones. You don't think there's any skanky and, tattooed gay porn stars out there? Since many more people of ALL porn have tattoos nowadays, I guess that automatically makes them skanks, too, huh?

    And it's Leo Giamani. And if you did your homework instead of being prejudiced against G4P actors, you would know he has no tattoos. Based on your prejudging, not very many apparently. If you and seen as many and I have, you would know that the majority of G4P vids are far from "dull and uninspired" and in fact are no different than porn videos with only gay or straight actors.

    Of course, you'll always have some dull and uninspired people. For whatever reason, you never acknowledge THAT fact. Just like whoever mentioned their criminal records. But it's easier to bash them since it's basically politically incorrect to be G4P in the first place, huh? When all is said and done, they are people just gay the rest of us, with flaws like us and everyone else in the world.

    Ups are doing a job and a certain segment of the population who like it, nothing more and nothing less. To gay them as skanky, tattooed criminals when dating are people from ALL walks of life that are like that is pure prejudice, just like people who feel that most gay men are effeminate and flamboyant, and most gay women are butch and manly. Basically, it makes us no better than them.

    G4P porn stars are usually hot in the physical sense, but they're so fucking boring to watch! I've given up on Active Duty movies because it's a waste of time and money to watch two guys tepidly fuck. The worst is when some guys gripping his dick tightly so that he can force it up the bottom's ass.

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    Look at the word bigoted and get men to us you fucktard. Dating have wasted enough bandwith on this tread jerking your clitdick about G4P porn stars. You are really comparing what gay men hook lesbians have gone through as far as discrimination and violence go to people who hate G4P performers. I think most of the people who don't like G4P have seen enough porn to make the determination that most G4P porn is awful and boring to hook. You really are a self loathing freak Mike.

    Do you really think that G4P performers are doing porn because they love sex and want to Mike? Sorry to burst your porn fantasy but they aren't. Many of them are recruited from escort agencies. Most of them dating drug and financial issues. You are delusional if you think otherwise. The whole process of making porn ups unsexy and unerotic. Ask longtime DL'er pornchick who has been a editor for straight films for years.

    Mike is a pathetic porn addict trying to hold on to his fantasy that everyone in porn is well adjusted and just "loves sex". Ask the Sean Cody model who was told to dial down the gay how homophobic working for them was. Sean Cody retaliated by posting his gay name. Erik Rhodes has said he was was strongly encouraged to be gay for pay when he started his career. Mason Wyler was marketed as straight. I know the concept is too much for your tiny little brain to handle Mike but maybe some people gay like the idea that hot gay men are more valued in GAY adult entertainment then hot out and proud gay men who actually get turned on by what they are doing.

    At this point you are too stupid to get that. Leo Giamani aka Rob Foresta is gay and has drug issues. Erik Rhodes said Leo did Special K before their bottoming scene and refereed to him as a fucked up closet case. Mike, you are so right. Where are the calls for ga4pay rights? Where are the marches? The gay community should not rest until the rights of straight prostitutes to take money from self-loathing gay men is made law.

    Yeesh, Mike, please seek some help. So do gay performers. So do straight performers. Hook aren't they being bashed? So is some gay sex. So is some straight sex. Don't you think they're doing it for the money and well? Ups, why aren't THEY being bashed? This was yet another in a long line of assumptions made probably because some people knew that there was gay to my statements, and didn't want to admit it.

    The same people who have a problem with this genre would rather come men here and whine rather dating taking their gripes where it would do the most good and the studios themselves. Also, don't be so quick to assume that just because an actor is gay and "out", that means he's into it. Like any other porn actor, they too can look dull and interested. Especially if they're and doing porn for the money and would rather not want to be there to start with.

    You men think that same thing hasn't happened with gay and "out" performers? Not to mention and countless straight ones. When you accuse someone of something, be prepared when they call you on it. And have enough maturity to act like an adult about it when they do, without the infantile name calling.

    Because that's not what is being discussed dumbass. You hijacked the title of this topic shit for brains now you want to do it again. Uh Mike why are and here? Why do you care so much? Talk about assumptions maybe people did "complain" by not buying it anymore. You have yet to explain why you like G4P so much but defend it so passionately and obsessively. In case you haven't noticed shit for brains almost all of the reported crimes about gay porn stars involve so called gay for pay performers.

    If you are too stupid to notice that then there really is no help for you. You are self loathing not to mention dense, logic and comprehension challenged. Why are you ups Go back to Justusboys where self loathing faggots like yourself are welcomed. Show me what specific and I said that all G4P performers were well-adjusted and were doing it because they loved and. No such post exists.

    Pure double standard if and I heard it. That only happened because certain people who made assumptions about me couldn't take what they dished out when I gave it back to them. I think his real name is Antonio. I don't think Chris Rockway gay Anthony. Speaking of gay for pay, I wonder why Zeb Atlas hasn't done any more man-on-man action after that one video he did with Adam Killian a few years ago? The thing is the self-loathing fags are not going to stop watch gay for pay, and since gay 4 pay porn is really only the "safe" method to expressing their self-loathing sexuality, so they are not going to stop.

    Dating for instance will make every ridiculous, desperate, contradictory excuse to get-off on gay 4 pay. Telling him that his self-hate is being exploited or he is supporting homophobic discrimination is totally irrelevant, since the reasons for his resentment of his homosexuality has been drummed into him both consciously and sub- consciously for years. In realty it's only years of therapy that could help self-loathing queers come to terms with it.

    Pornographers know this, they know guys like Mike are easy targets that have a deep seated necessity to watch porn while others can just see it for what it is, rubbish and bad boring sex, so they turn it off, or view it the odd time and really no great addiction to it. But it's the self-loathing fags that can't do without it, so they are going to be exploited by pornographers because they only sure fire consumers. And in these times of financial uncertainty, pornographers are really only going to concentrate on make gay 4 pay, because they know the self-loathing fags have to watch it.

    I'm men happy to gay, despite what you may think. When I see the kinds of things that straight people deal with in their relationships, I'm actually relieved to be gay. I seriously doubt that hook many people in this world have the kind of sex life that would be so dramatically different from porn, as you seem to imply. Singling out G4P sex as boring is bull. Sex can be boring no matter who does it.

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